December 2, 2008
If he was alive today, I am certain he would have supported our campaign for a Welsh parliament as embodying government of the Welsh people, by the Welsh people, for the Welsh people.
I don’t think Peter Hain will ever be remembered for promoting government of the Welsh people by the English & Scottish people, subject to the personal veto of an appointed Secretary of State and a group of non-elected hereditary peers. It just doesn’t have the same ring about it…….
November 25, 2008
Well now, thanks to Dafydd Idris Edwards, the mystery is solved – the LCOs are simply a rehash of something originally developed for Ireland more than 500 years ago, known as Poynings Law.
Well we all know how that ended up…….
Update - A good description of the current arrangements is given here:
November 21, 2008
November 20, 2008
The Welsh Assembly Government budget is around £15 billion, which when divided by the Welsh population, is equivalent to £5,000 per head.
The UK contribution to the European Union budget, is €103 billion over 5 years. But with an expected budget rebate of €46 billion, the annual net contribution is less than £8 billion, which when divided by the UK population is equivalent to around £130 per head.
The UK Government budget is £520 billion, which when divided by the UK population, is around £8,670 per head. But this is a total figure including the Welsh and European expenditure, and once these have been allocated, the remaining UK government expenditure in Wales would be only around £3,540 per head.
Just so we are clear, the responsibility for spending our tax money is:
Cardiff Bay £5,000
So it is imperative that with this level of financial responsibility, Welsh voters must take more interest in the Assembly, and the calibre of our AMs needs to be significantly increased. It is also glaringly obvious that the Assembly must be able to take full control over its affairs and to do this they need to have full law making powers.
Ps it also makes me wonder why some people get so agitated about the EU…..they are largely irrelevant!
November 17, 2008
So in order to bring some clarity, LCO stands for:
Legitimized Constitutional Obfuscation,
Invented by a group of
Lazy, Contemptible Opponents of devolution
Ludicrously Complicated Organisation,
To ensure that any
Lamentable, Controversial Obligations
can be avoided,
and that Wales remains
Loyal, Compliant & Obedient
Now what about that referendum??
Update - It seems it is a simple process after all.......27 Steps
November 11, 2008
On the one side of the ring is the Welsh Assembly, led by the Presiding Officer, Dafydd Elis Thomas. On the other side is the Welsh Affairs Select Committee, led by Welsh Sec Paul Murphy.
In the middle of the ring is a bloody great elephant that no one seems to have noticed in their little spat over constitutional niceties - the Welsh public. The supposed beneficiary of this Housing LCO.
The word going round is that the Welsh Sec is going to come down on the side of the Select Committee. If so, what are the Assembly going to do? Fill out a complaint form? Spend the next 5 years wrangling over it?
The whole LCO process is obscure, obtuse and open to misunderstandings.
Like this one.
If you were of a more conspiratorial cast of mind, you could argue that this is deliberately so. If you understand a little about the way our politicians think, you might be inclined to say it just reflects the fact that they use a language none of the rest of us understand.
Is it any wonder the bewildered public look askance at all this?
But here's the danger. If the WASC get their way on this issue, then a clear signal has been sent out: whether Labour or Tory government, they can block a referendum and get away with it, too. And why not?
Without a clear expression of wider public support, the Assembly will find itself isolated, and it's legitimacy as a representative institution will take a knock. Some of our MPs probably understand this, and some may not.
On the other hand, if the public were to make it's feelings felt on the matter, the Committee, and Comrade Murphy, might be given pause for thought.
After all, who wants to mess with an angry elephant?
November 10, 2008
The Western Mail thought that it was a Waste of Eight Long Months and a plan to delay law-making poll with another devolution inquiry. Ouch!
What did the bloggers think?
Not a lot.
Glyn Davies the most supportive of Tory pro Devos Cannot make a fully considered post at this stage, because I've not had a chance to read it. If Glyn can't comment on a Tory policy document that he hasn't read then surely his political opponents can't either!
Oh Yes they can:
Che Grav-ara has been counting the days down in anticipation of the report. His conclusion 250 Days for Nothing.
Betsan Powys, being the sweetie that she is, couldn't work out if the report was a glacier mint or a fudge . Sir Wyn's suggestion of yet another committee to look at the devolution settlement reminded Betsan's colleague Vaughan of the Committee set up by a County Council to look at reducing the number of committees!
Bethan Jenkins AM is a sweetie too, one has to read between the lines of her blog post to see that she thinks that Sir Wyn's contribution is a load of ***** too, she's just to polite to say so! Bethan should learn how to be a real harridan from her colleague Leanne Wood, who has no hesitation in claiming that Sir Wyn is anti-Welsh and out of touch. Peter Black agrees with what Bethan and Leanne say, but he is just so more liberally polite in the way that he says so. Plaid's chair, John Dixon, however, dismisses the report as Management Speak.
Our own blog issues a challenge to Nick Bourn to come clean. Sadly he is yet to answer the call
If lancing the Roberts (interim) report wasn't enough excitement for us devo-holics Thursday saw the Bevan Foundation bash on the Evolution of Devolution. Its conclusion's can be found here in PDF form. Opinions can be found from Peter Black, who sees them not only defending the indefensible, but confusing criticism of the LCO process with the Assembly Measures Process.
On Thursday Adam Price MP called for for a Yes! Campaign to be started NOW! Adam is supposed to be a with it politico with a Facebook presence - the campaign is there Adam - join it. Ian James Johnson says YES to Adam's call.
Tomorrow's Wales is a website worth watching. An organisation that Supports, rather than actively campaigns for further Devolution, I think!!
In other news Happy Birthday to Angharad Annwyl, Pendroni's Mam
Amanwy has an update on the Bevan Foundation bash, and what Hugh Edwards, The Archbishop and others had to say.
And breaking news, David Jones MP and Peter Hain MP both agree that Assembly Members are too stupid to make decisions in the best interest of the people of Wales.
Add any links to your Blog's Devo stories, things worth reading in the MSM etc to the comments section for inclusion in next weeks roundup!
I blog at:
Hen Rerch Flin in Welsh and at Miserable Old Fart in English
November 9, 2008
To those people, this quote from our beloved Welsh Sec, Comrade Paul Murphy, should give pause for thought;
"I think that the LCO that deals with the ending of the sale of council houses will produce controversy. For the past two decades in Wales, the fact that houses have been sold by local authorities has meant that people in Wales, by becoming home owners, have improved their lot."
Paul Murphy MP, Welsh Grand Committee speech, December 12th 2007.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that Thatcher's argument when she brought in the Right to Buy in the first place?
November 7, 2008
Peter Hain MP, "A Parliament for Wales", Gwasg Gomer, 1994.
"There is no way the legislation could have got through without including the need for a referendum...you could not have changed the 1997 settlement unless there was a referendum built in."
Peter Hain MP, referring to GOWA 2006 in a conference speech, November 6, 2008.
November 5, 2008
Wyn Roberts was assigned to determine an inclusive Welsh response - and what did he come up with?? More Bull$hit !!
So Nick Bourne has got to decide - stick with the David Davies/Margaret Thatcher approach to political oblivion - hope that Wyn Roberts can paper over the cracks - or to go with a Glyn Davies approach - Wales first - London second.
Time to decide Nick - forwards or backwards - your call!!
October 31, 2008
Well the same could be said of True Wales who continue to spread lies and misinformation about the referendum. One of their claims is that the referendum is to increase the number of AMs by 20 and that their first task will be to vote themselves a pay increase, and that all of this money could be saved by voting No.
There is no specific intent in the referendum to increase the number of AMs, and pay increases are anyway linked to MPs salaries. So two more lies.
But lets just consider what an MP costs – Don Touhig, one of the quiet men behind the scenes of True Wales - last year supplemented his £61k salary with £142k in expenses, and made a £200K windfall profit on selling his London flat which was paid for by the taxpayers.
Meanwhile his opposite number – Irene James AM for Islwyn – earned only £53k salary and a maximum of £12.5k in expenses, meaning that MP Don cost three times as much as AM Irene. In fact when the total costs are compared, including the much higher building administration and security costs at Westminster, the cost of an MP is more than 4 times that of an AM.
So if the new assembly is to need 20 more AMs then lets fund them by getting rid of 5 MPs, which would then be cost neutral – but it is more likely that the number of Welsh MPs would be reduced to nearer 32 (following the Scottish experience) so overall there would be a considerable cost saving!!!
The reality is that the MPs know that the trough is much deeper at Westminster than Cardiff Bay and their snouts more exercised, and it is purely self-interest and greed which is behind the True Wales campaign.
October 25, 2008
Set up in July, and chaired by former diplomat Sir Emyr Jones Parry, part of the aim of the Convention is to gauge the public mood for full law-making powers. It's due to report back at the end of next year.
And this is where Cymru Gyntaf comes in.
Starting in January, the convention will be holding a whole series of public events and evidence gathering sessions in every Local Authority area in Wales. The timetable is shown in full down below. If you are one of the 1400 members of Cymru Gyntaf, here is a golden opportunity to influence the course of events over the next year. Our members live in every corner of Wales (and beyond!), and the odds are on that Emyr is coming your way.
A "No" campaign is out on the streets making the case against further powers. They will strive to sway the minds of the public by every means at their disposal. The Convention will measure the extent of their success. While our politicians dither, the only thing that stands in their way is us.
If the Convention assesses the public mood to be negative, in all probability the referendum will be delayed, perhaps indefinitely.
The aim of a "Yes" campaign is to persuade the public that full lawmaking powers are the next logical step. As of January 1st 2009, we need to ALREADY have a structure in place that can hit the ground running and start making that case. We need to galvanise the general public and make our case to the convention, by showing that there is an overwhelming public mood for change, and that we want a referendum sooner rather than later.
For those who have argued that it's "too early" to start a Yes campaign, here is our opportunity to prove them wrong. A timetable has now been set, a "Yes" and "No" campaign are in existence, and 2009 is shaping up to be one hell of a year.
Are we ready for it?
Timetable of public events held by the All Wales Convention;
14 January - Neath Port Talbot
15 January - Bridgend
5 February - Caerphilly
25 February - Conwy
26 February - Isle of Anglesey
4 March - Ceredigion
5 March - Carmarthenshire
24 March - Powys
1 April - Torfaen
2 April - Rhondda Cynon Taff
22 April - Denbighshire
23 April - Flintshire
13 May - Merthyr Tydfil
14 May - Monmouthshire
4 June - Newport
10 June - Vale of Glamorgan
11 June - Blaenau Gwent
25 June - Cardiff
Evidence gathering sessions - draft list.
15 January - Swansea
5 February - Cardiff
26 February - Gwynedd
5 March - Pembrokeshire
25 March - Powys
2 April - Newport
23 April - Wrexham
14 May - Cardiff
4 June - Newport
11 June - Cardiff
25 June - Cardiff
October 20, 2008
In 2006, the Government of Wales Act made some changes to the way the Assembly worked, and included a provision that the Assembly’s powers could be increased in the future to a full law-making parliament similar to the current Scottish Parliament, but subject to a positive vote in a referendum.
In 2007 the One-Wales Government (the Labour-Plaid coalition that leads the current Assembly) committed itself to holding such a referendum before 2011 and appointed an independent body – the All-Wales Convention headed by Emyr Jones Parry – to consult with interested bodies, to review the level of popular support, and to advise on the detailed timing of such a referendum. This process is ongoing and no specific recommendations have been made, although it has been suggested that such a referendum could be held to coincide with the next Assembly election in May 2011.
The proposed referendum will have two options - We don’t know the wording of any referendum question yet, but it will be something similar to below:
Do you agree that the National Assembly for Wales should be granted law making powers as outlined in the Government of Wales Act 2006?
.......Yes......... or ........No.................
A Yes vote will not be a vote for independence – it will only be for a Parliament similar to the Scottish model.
A No vote will not be a vote for abolition of the Assembly – it will only be to maintain the status quo of limited law-making powers.
October 19, 2008
It seems that True Wales' Councillor David Rees, as a good Socialist, objects to the use of taxpayers money for "Propaganda" purposes, when it would be far better spent on essential things like hospitals, schools, foreign invasions and bankers...
So let's say we take Councillor Rees' point on board and scrap the convention. That's £2.5 million saved. (In fact the budgeted figure is £1.5 million, but let's not let the facts get in the way for a minute). Amazingly, we can still have a public consultation which engages widely with all sections of Welsh society and delivers a recommendation for more powers. And all without spending a penny extra of public money.
Simple. It's called the Richard Commission.
The basic fact of the matter is that we have already had a public consultation. We had it four years ago. It was wide-ranging in scope, and made a number of radical recommendations, including the creation of a Parliament with Tax-raising as well as lawmaking powers. It was a democratic exercise, commissioned by the previous Labour administration under Rhodri Morgan.
And by True Wales logic, it was a de-facto "Yes" campaign, undertaken by Councillor Rees' own Party!
So why don't we compromise? The naysayers save their public money, and we have a referendum on a law-making and tax-raising parliament, with a fairer voting system, based on the Single Transferable Vote. All recommendations made by Richard.
Question is - are "True Wales" really interested in Compromise? Do they genuinely want to save public money and give the people of Wales what they've already asked for - or do they have another agenda?
October 18, 2008
Average AM Expenses Claim inc Travel: £6,682.73
Maximum Expenses Claim inc Travel Made by any AM: £12,500
True Wales Founder David Davies MP Expenses Claim inc Travel: £33,375
% of AM's claiming more than 99% of the maximum allowance: 16%
% of maximum allowance claimed by True Wales Founder David Davies MP: 99.96%
Can I hear someone saying "hypocrite"?
Devolution Lite from Adam price MP comments on how the Westminster Welsh Affairs Committee has dealt with a Legislative Competence Order to:
revoke tenants’ automatic right to buy council properties in order to protect and enhance the stock of social housing, particularly in areas of high housing need.
Basically they have said that the Assembly can not have this competence unless they agree to use it in the way that the Welsh Affairs Committee dictates
Gray's Monotony explains the constitution of the Welsh Affairs Committee:
the Conservatives' strength in parts of England means that they are awarded a greater number of positions on the Welsh Affairs Select Committee than parties performing as well, if not better, in Wales alone.
So a committee that doesn't reflect how Wales votes has a veto over an Assembly that the people of Wales vote for!
Is this democracy?
October 17, 2008
More than one year ago, Emyr Jones Parry was appointed to lead the All Wales Convention, which was tasked with:
- Raising awareness and improving understanding of the current arrangements for devolved government in Wales and for the future implications of the Government of Wales Act 2006
- Facilitating and stimulating a widespread, thorough and participative consultation at all levels of Welsh society on the issue of primary law making powers.
- Preparing an analysis of the views expressed and the evidence presented through this process.
- Assessing the level of public support for giving the Assembly primary law making powers.
Reporting to the Assembly government on its findings, with recommendations relevant to the holding of a referendum.
Well apart from EJP’s initial appointment I don’t think I have heard anything from him. The convention has a website but it is sorely lacking in information which suggests that it is failing to meet the first of its objectives. Maybe the convention is busy working away behind the scenes……….does anyone know?
Maybe we can get EJP to join facebook as part of the consultative process???
October 16, 2008
True Wales is a cross-party, cross-sector body opposed to devolution of full law-making powers to the National Assembly for Wales.
Ok – that bit is clear, although I am not sure cross-party is very accurate.
Its aims are:
to allow the Welsh public the opportunity to hear the case against autonomy for the National Assembly for Wales
Ok – first lie – the referendum is not about autonomy – it is simply about achieving primary law making powers.
and to facilitate democratic participation in a full debate about our constitutional future.
Excellent idea – lets have a full debate about our constructional future – but lets not confuse it with the campaigns for and against the proposed referendum – which is only whether to stick with the current Assembly, or to give it more law-making powers.
to lobby both the Welsh Assembly and United Kingdom governments to hold a referendum, duly supervised by the Electoral Commission,
No problem with this bit……….
regardless of the findings and recommendations of the ‘All-Wales Convention’
A bit arrogant here – the Conservatives want to ignore the findings of the independent body established to gauge public opinion, to ignore its careful deliberations and objective evidence, and to ride roughshod over the wishes of the people of Wales. Just like before with the Kilbrandon Report and the Richards Commission……….
Our Wales is a beautiful, diverse country which belongs to all who live here. There are many versions of 'Welshness', all to be respected and celebrated. We believe in equality and fairness for all citizens, regardless of linguistic preference, ethnicity, faith, political persuasion or gender.
There is no place in our Wales for discrimination or prejudice against any group or country. We value all the settlers who have contributed to our cultural diversity and our shared heritage within the United Kingdom
OK - Agree with all of that, although unusual choice of word with Settlers.
True Wales advocates :
spending priorities that reflect the needs of all the people
What has this to do with the proposed referendum? Such decisions are currently made by the democratically elected Assembly and would continue in the same manner with or without law-making powers.
restoration of a cohesive, tolerant society
When did we lose the one we have, and what has this to do with law-making powers
no increase in the current number of AMs and MPs
OK – I don’t agree with this point, but at least it is clear. Personally I would keep the combined total the same – We will need 20 more AMs and I am happy to scrap 20 MPs to cover the cost.
keeping the Secretary of State for Wales
Am I missing something? This position may very well be abolished in any case under the current Assembly, irrespective of law-making powers.
the maintenance of a strong position within the United Kingdom
I would suggest that a stronger assembly would give us a stronger position in the Union!!
that any application to draw down Legislative Competence Orders from the United Kingdom Government should reflect the wishes of the majority of the Welsh people
Uh?? The wishes of the majority of the Welsh people are already reflected in the makeup of the democratically elected Assembly. Or are True Wales suggesting a referendum on every proposed LCO??
CLUNK (sound of large penny dropping).
The Real Agenda:
True Wales real agenda is the abolition of the Assembly and replacing it with an all-powerful Secretary of State who would have full executive power over Wales, including spending our budget.
And David Davies wants to be that Secretary of State in the next Conservative government, and he just wants to make sure that there is a big enough trough there for him to put his snout in.
(Update - check out Hen's comments: http://amlwchmagor.blogspot.com/2008/10/give-me-h.html )
And to hell with democracy!
October 15, 2008
Wales First / Cymru Gyntaf is a non-party political group calling for a "Yes" vote in the upcoming referendum on full lawmaking powers for the Welsh Assembly. Our aim is to use the internet to mobilise popular support for a full Parliament for Wales. Let's give our first democratically elected forum here in Wales the power it needs to put Wales FIRST.
Mae Cymru Gyntaf / Wales First yn grŵp allbleidiol sydd yn galw am bleidlais "IE" yn y refferendwm arfaethedig ar hawliau deddfu llawn i Gynulliad Cymru.Ein bwriad yw defnyddio'r we i godi cefnogaeth boblogaidd dros Senedd i Gymru.Mynnwn fod ein corff etholedig democrataidd cenedlaethol yn cael y grym i roi Cymru GYNTAF
With a No campaign already getting publicity, despite only having half a dozen members, it is important that a Yes campaign exists to oppose them. With some supporters of Devolution dithering and wondering if a referendum could be won it is important that there is a grass roots support campaign to show that there is support for putting Wales first and an enthusiasm for the Yes cause. As John Dixon said a few weeks ago the wait and see approach being proposed by some has risks "a risk that we wait until the polls show that the argument has been clearly won before we start to present the case; and I don't understand how anyone would ever expect to decisively win any argument without putting the case."
If you support a yes vote in a referendum, I would be grateful if you joined the Wales First campaign, asked your friends to join and gave the campaign a mention on your blogs, web-pages, forums etc